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Asker Anonymous Asks:
What nonhumans are not considered otherkin?
jarandhel jarandhel Said:

roguesareth:

jarandhel:

roguesareth:

jarandhel:

otherkinavenger:

otherkinavenger:

Vampires, Starseeds, and most variety of Fae don’t consider themselves otherkin. 

Depending on who you ask, therians are not otherkin either, although the communities are quite similar and are closer than any of the others; even overlapping in some places, as with theriomythics or those who prefer the -kin suffix over being called a therian. 

Thank you very much for the info and links! It’s appreciated greatly.

No problem, glad to help! :)

Didn’t both the dragon and unicorn communities develop separately from the otherkin community as well?

Already covered dragons in another post, as for unicorns… hard to say, really.  There’s some evidence of individual forums for unicorns popping up separately, but I don’t know if they were ever large enough, established enough, or interconnected enough to consider a separate community proper like the draconity community.

*nods* Yeah I was just saying on another post, that I came across only one or two unicorn specific sites, and only a very few individuals on otherkin and therian sites. Tumblr is the place I’ve seen the most unicorn kin, but its still relatively low compared to other ttypes. They seem to generally stick to thier specific spaces.

Yes, I see the misinformation you were replying to.  Just to clear things up for those who aren’t familiar with the subject, it’s a documented fact that the draconity community formed on alt.fan.dragons, a usenet newsgroup which was founded on December 1, 1992.  It’s also a documented fact that the therian community formed on alt.horror.werewolves, a usenet newsgroup which was founded on November 16, 1992.  Histories written independently by both of these communities agree on those points.  And third, it is a documented fact that the online otherkin community started on The Elfinkind Digest, a mailing list which was created on March 26, 1990.  The term otherkin itself was coined on that list on April 18, 1990.  These are all matters of public record.  So no, I’m afraid the history of the early community was simply not a race between the dragons and the therians.  There were dragons in the early otherkin community, that’s part of the reason the term otherkin was coined (Torin “got tired of typing elf/dragon/orc/etc.-kin and just used otherkin”.), but they did not have a separate community of their own at that time.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
What nonhumans are not considered otherkin?
jarandhel jarandhel Said:

roguesareth:

jarandhel:

otherkinavenger:

otherkinavenger:

Vampires, Starseeds, and most variety of Fae don’t consider themselves otherkin. 

Depending on who you ask, therians are not otherkin either, although the communities are quite similar and are closer than any of the others; even overlapping in some places, as with theriomythics or those who prefer the -kin suffix over being called a therian. 

Thank you very much for the info and links! It’s appreciated greatly.

No problem, glad to help! :)

Didn’t both the dragon and unicorn communities develop separately from the otherkin community as well?

Already covered dragons in another post, as for unicorns… hard to say, really.  There’s some evidence of individual forums for unicorns popping up separately, but I don’t know if they were ever large enough, established enough, or interconnected enough to consider a separate community proper like the draconity community.

otherkinavenger:

As previously stated, it was an educated guess as to when the communities merged. Thank you for the additional information! Would you happen to have any links on the topic?

I believe Orion’s timeline describes the formation of the early draconity community and its connection to the otherkin community.  Another good link for the history is:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061130220811/http://www.dragonfire.org/AfdEarlyHistory.html

As for them being part of the otherkin community for a long time, the site Draconic you’ve linked to stands as a great example of that.  The site came into existence in 1998, and by June 2001 the owner was using the term otherkin to describe the dragons there: http://web.archive.org/web/20010609035110/http://www.draconic.com/fordragons/  By January 2002 the site’s tagline described itself as the largest community of otherkin dragons on the internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20020122110730/http://draconic.com/

The mailing list realdragon, founded in 1998, would serve as another example as would the mailing list truewyrm founded in 2000.  The descriptions of both lists have used the term otherkin for a very long time.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
What nonhumans are not considered otherkin?
jarandhel jarandhel Said:

otherkinavenger:

jarandhel:

otherkinavenger:

Vampires, Starseeds, and most variety of Fae don’t consider themselves otherkin. 

Depending on who you ask, therians are not otherkin either, although the communities are quite similar and are closer than any of the others; even overlapping in some places, as with theriomythics or those who prefer the -kin suffix over being called a therian. 

The otherkin community was founded by elves and fae, and they were so well represented within it that the elvenstar/faeriestar became the de-facto symbol of the early otherkin community.  Where are you getting your information that “most variety of Fae” do not consider themselves otherkin?

Admittedly, we haven’t done as much research on fae as we should be doing, and we’re always open to learning from being wrong. Everything we’ve come across about elves and fae in relation to otherkin talk about how the otherkin community has it’s roots in the elves, but doesn’t mention a relationship between the communities beyond that point. Everything we’ve seen have made the communities— the elves especially— look quite like separate entities. If it’s no bother to you, having a resource or two we can read or start research off of would be wonderful!

Anon, if you are still lurking, here’s a bit more clarification for you. 

Sure, here are some links illustrating the presence of Fae in the early otherkin community:

http://web.archive.org/web/19981207030313/http://www.tirnanoc.org/tnointro.htm  The TirNanOc mailing list, at one time the largest otherkin mailing list - you’ll note it describes itself specifically as being for “Kindred Folke of all kinds, be they Human or Fae in spirit”.
http://web.archive.org/web/19990220153602/http://www.tirnanoc.org/links.htm A list of otherkin mailing lists - two explicitly have fae in the name.
https://web.archive.org/web/20000902213019/http://www.absinthia.com/otherkin/links/mailist.html Another list of mailing lists - the first one on the list describes itself as “This list is for all those who either have recently awoken to their fae/otherkin nature, those that are human but have awakened to the existence of fae, or those that would be willing to support those newly awakened go through this process.”
http://www.lavendise.com/TirNanOc/other101.htm - Lavendise, a site billing itself as the Vale of the Fae for decades, to this day hosts copies of old TirNanOc mailing list digests.

I think this serves as a good introduction to the the presence of fae in the otherkin community.  Also, if you’ll notice, even Orion’s Timeline is fully titled: “Otherkin Timeline: The Recent History of Elfin, Fae, and Animal People”.

otherkinavenger:

A possible explanation for the presence of so many dragons in the otherkin community is that people identified as dragons a few decades before the otherkin community began, and turned into it’s own distinct community in the 1990’s. The dragon community has remained separate from otherkin until fairly recently— within the past 5 years or so. (That is an educated guess; I can’t tell quite when the communities started to merge, although Tumblr does have the habit of blurring lines between various groups who have several similarities). 

Draconity being seen as a separate nonhuman community from otherkin may be why there are so many dragons around— although the fact that dragons are idolized in many cultures may play a part in the amount of dragon-identifying nonhumans as well.

Actually, that’s not correct.  The draconity community started on alt.fan.dragons, a usenet group that was founded in 1992.  The otherkin community in contrast had its start on the Elfinkind Digest mailing list in 1990, two years prior.  By the time I entered the community in 1999, they had already largely merged, though some dragonkin spaces such as truewyrm, realdragon, draconity.org, draconic.net, and draconic.com were retained as spaces to discuss their particular kintype.  Even in those spaces, though, the term dragonkin was in general use and remains so to this day.  The merger of the two communities is neither recent, nor a tumblr phenomenon.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
What nonhumans are not considered otherkin?
jarandhel jarandhel Said:

otherkinavenger:

Vampires, Starseeds, and most variety of Fae don’t consider themselves otherkin. 

Depending on who you ask, therians are not otherkin either, although the communities are quite similar and are closer than any of the others; even overlapping in some places, as with theriomythics or those who prefer the -kin suffix over being called a therian. 

The otherkin community was founded by elves and fae, and they were so well represented within it that the elvenstar/faeriestar became the de-facto symbol of the early otherkin community.  Where are you getting your information that “most variety of Fae” do not consider themselves otherkin?