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jarandhel:

sylvereapleanan:

jarandhel:

otherkinquotess:

bullshitincorporated:

The sang I donate for raises rabbits for blood.  Food grade, and she’s taken the time to learn to slaughter them humanely.  I’ve skinned and cleaned them and cooked the meat myself afterward.  It really doesn’t work just as well for keeping her healthy, long term, though.  If she doesn’t get human blood at least once a month, in addition to the animal blood, she displays the same symptoms as if she was getting no blood at all.  The animal blood works longer as a substitute than other substitutes, but in the end it still is a substitute and doesn’t fulfill her needs, even if it can fool her hunger into making her go too long without human blood.  And I’ve seen the same pattern with other sangs.

I’m just reposting this with GotS’s tags.

vampires ok gloves off on this one your friend is so deluded they believe they have to regularly murder rabbits for their blood but this is such an acceptable belief to you you literally help them do it and you hold yourself up as the paragon of reason in the otherkin community i don’t even know what to say

Just… wow. I actually nearly respected Jarandhel for seemingly being one of the more stable people in the otherkin community, but now? No. This is some of the most fucked up shit I’ve ever read, and he has no right whatsoever to complain about or correct anyone in his community, and I can only hope younger ‘kin don’t look at this shit and decide it’s an okay thing to do and take after it…

“Murder rabbits”?  You are aware that humans have raised rabbits for food for hundreds of years, and that food-grade animals aren’t going to grow up and live happy lives on a farm somewhere if she didn’t buy them and raise them?  They’re going to be eaten, no matter what.  That’s literally what they are bred for.  She happens to use the blood as well as the meat.  Guess what?  So do a lot of non-vampires. To the point that a lot of asian markets will sell frozen animal blood.  They’re not doing it for the benefit of sanguinarians.

Gods dammit, Jarandhel! Don’t you fuckers know you should go buy your meat at the grocery store where NO ANIMALS WERE HARMED to bring you your McBurger?!?!?

T_T

Logic, do you even?

Oh, clearly.  I mean, to actually raise, kill, and eat animals - as humans have done for more than ten thousand years of recorded history - CLEARLY dangerous and harmful behavior that should not be seen as an ok thing to do or emulated.  It’s not like normal humans make devices available for the humane killing of rabits for food or post instructional videos on how to do it properly… oh wait: http://therabbitwringer.com/

GOTS’s tags: “Filed under way to ignore the fact your friend kills rabbits because of their made up pretendy condition a.k.a. claiming to need blood or else they will get sick and is therefore causing the needless death of dozens of animals way to show a community full of animal lovers you don’t give a shit jarandhelotherkin vampires

Still missing the point that these are food-grade animals, born and bred and raised as food.  If she didn’t buy them from the small animal auction she gets them from, and raise them to use as sources of both blood and meat for food, they’re not going to skip off into the wilderness and roam free.  They’re going to be taken home by someone else, killed, and eaten.  So calling this the “needless death of dozens of animals” is pretty laughable.  Especially since she’s using them as meat as well, and is therefor having to buy less meat at the grocery store for herself.

But hey, keep on beating the good old PETA drum.  Maybe you’ll actually get someone up in arms about it.

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sylvereapleanan:

jarandhel:

otherkinquotess:

bullshitincorporated:

The sang I donate for raises rabbits for blood.  Food grade, and she’s taken the time to learn to slaughter them humanely.  I’ve skinned and cleaned them and cooked the meat myself afterward.  It really doesn’t work just as well for keeping her healthy, long term, though.  If she doesn’t get human blood at least once a month, in addition to the animal blood, she displays the same symptoms as if she was getting no blood at all.  The animal blood works longer as a substitute than other substitutes, but in the end it still is a substitute and doesn’t fulfill her needs, even if it can fool her hunger into making her go too long without human blood.  And I’ve seen the same pattern with other sangs.

I’m just reposting this with GotS’s tags.

vampires ok gloves off on this one your friend is so deluded they believe they have to regularly murder rabbits for their blood but this is such an acceptable belief to you you literally help them do it and you hold yourself up as the paragon of reason in the otherkin community i don’t even know what to say

Just… wow. I actually nearly respected Jarandhel for seemingly being one of the more stable people in the otherkin community, but now? No. This is some of the most fucked up shit I’ve ever read, and he has no right whatsoever to complain about or correct anyone in his community, and I can only hope younger ‘kin don’t look at this shit and decide it’s an okay thing to do and take after it…

“Murder rabbits”?  You are aware that humans have raised rabbits for food for hundreds of years, and that food-grade animals aren’t going to grow up and live happy lives on a farm somewhere if she didn’t buy them and raise them?  They’re going to be eaten, no matter what.  That’s literally what they are bred for.  She happens to use the blood as well as the meat.  Guess what?  So do a lot of non-vampires. To the point that a lot of asian markets will sell frozen animal blood.  They’re not doing it for the benefit of sanguinarians.

Gods dammit, Jarandhel! Don’t you fuckers know you should go buy your meat at the grocery store where NO ANIMALS WERE HARMED to bring you your McBurger?!?!?

T_T

Logic, do you even?

Oh, clearly.  I mean, to actually raise, kill, and eat animals - as humans have done for more than ten thousand years of recorded history - CLEARLY dangerous and harmful behavior that should not be seen as an ok thing to do or emulated.  It’s not like normal humans make devices available for the humane killing of rabits for food or post instructional videos on how to do it properly… oh wait: http://therabbitwringer.com/

otherkinquotess:

bullshitincorporated:

The sang I donate for raises rabbits for blood.  Food grade, and she’s taken the time to learn to slaughter them humanely.  I’ve skinned and cleaned them and cooked the meat myself afterward.  It really doesn’t work just as well for keeping her healthy, long term, though.  If she doesn’t get human blood at least once a month, in addition to the animal blood, she displays the same symptoms as if she was getting no blood at all.  The animal blood works longer as a substitute than other substitutes, but in the end it still is a substitute and doesn’t fulfill her needs, even if it can fool her hunger into making her go too long without human blood.  And I’ve seen the same pattern with other sangs.

I’m just reposting this with GotS’s tags.

vampires ok gloves off on this one your friend is so deluded they believe they have to regularly murder rabbits for their blood but this is such an acceptable belief to you you literally help them do it and you hold yourself up as the paragon of reason in the otherkin community i don’t even know what to say

Just… wow. I actually nearly respected Jarandhel for seemingly being one of the more stable people in the otherkin community, but now? No. This is some of the most fucked up shit I’ve ever read, and he has no right whatsoever to complain about or correct anyone in his community, and I can only hope younger ‘kin don’t look at this shit and decide it’s an okay thing to do and take after it…

"Murder rabbits"?  You are aware that humans have raised rabbits for food for hundreds of years, and that food-grade animals aren’t going to grow up and live happy lives on a farm somewhere if she didn’t buy them and raise them?  They’re going to be eaten, no matter what.  That’s literally what they are bred for.  She happens to use the blood as well as the meat.  Guess what?  So do a lot of non-vampires. To the point that a lot of asian markets will sell frozen animal blood.  They’re not doing it for the benefit of sanguinarians.

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sylvereapleanan:

jarandhel:

sylvereapleanan replied to your post: I am a sanguinarian… How did yours find you? I need a donner badly… The side effects suck

Just fyi, Sphynxcat has some suggestions for blood substitutes & recipes using beef blood on her site: sphynxcatvp.nocturna.or… so your Anon might find…

Actually, there are some sangs who rely entirely on animal blood because they don’t want to deal with finding and keeping a donor and it works just as well for keeping them healthy. Your Anon might prefer a donor, but if it’s a choice between animal blood and going hungry with all the attendant health issues that come from not feeding, it’s better to go for the substitute. Extreme hunger can lead to ignoring potential risks and making unsafe choices.

The sang I donate for raises rabbits for blood.  Food grade, and she’s taken the time to learn to slaughter them humanely.  I’ve skinned and cleaned them and cooked the meat myself afterward.  It really doesn’t work just as well for keeping her healthy, long term, though.  If she doesn’t get human blood at least once a month, in addition to the animal blood, she displays the same symptoms as if she was getting no blood at all.  The animal blood works longer as a substitute than other substitutes, but in the end it still is a substitute and doesn’t fulfill her needs, even if it can fool her hunger into making her go too long without human blood.  And I’ve seen the same pattern with other sangs.

sylvereapleanan replied to your post: I am a sanguinarian… How did yours find you? I need a donner badly… The side effects suck

Just fyi, Sphynxcat has some suggestions for blood substitutes & recipes using beef blood on her site: sphynxcatvp.nocturna.or… so your Anon might find those helpful.

My experience with the sang I donate for, and what I’ve seen of other vamps I know, is that substitutes are good in the short term but not the long term.  I actually think there’s some danger of sangs getting too dependent on them, and trying to rely on them rather than seek an actual donor, because it makes the hunger seem less without addressing the underlying need.  So I don’t normally recommend substitutes if someone says they’re having trouble finding a donor.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
I am a sanguinarian... How did yours find you? I need a donner badly... The side effects suck
jarandhel jarandhel Said:

We were friends first, and she needed one so I offered.  That’s all there was to it.  Frankly, I don’t understand donors who approach it differently - I chose to donate for her because she was my friend, I knew she was legit, she had the training to draw blood safely, and I’d seen her physical symptoms when she didn’t get blood for a while.  I wasn’t just looking around for a random vampire to donate to, like a lot of people seem to.

itzocelotl:

Let’s clear up a few misconceptions about crisis counselors, psychiatrists and psychologists.

Sure there are some who are closed minded jerks, but the law prevents them from committing anyone to involuntary confinement unless they present an immediate threat to themselves or others.  If you bluntly tell them that you are suicidal or planning to kill someone else, they can and will commit you because that is the law.  If you tell them that you wish you would just disappear or that you hate your ex boyfriend and wish a truck would smash them, they might be suspicious and recommend therapy or medication strongly. 

The difference between sanity and insanity, functional or dysfunctional may seem murky, but here is how a woman with a PhD in psychology who worked for the National Institute of Mental health explained it (paraphrased) when I told her I had dreams that came true and saw ghosts.

“Do you expect others to see ghosts?  You are aware that culturally you are expected not to mention it to strangers in casual conversation, but that in other cultures it is acceptable to do so, right?  Then you are sane, whatever your spiritual beliefs and mystical experiences are.  If you told me that there was a giant pink teddybear on the ceiling of your house ordering you to hurt me and expected me to see and interact with it too, then you would be dangerously insane by the legal definition.”

After we talked for a while and she was supportive, fascinated and open minded, I dropped the Otherkin bomb.  It was a huge risk and I knew it, but the study I was doing at NIMH on depression in families had always given me great experiences.  So I said it.  She asked for a definition and clarification of Otherkin and I gave it.  She was fascinated, commenting that it seemed that a new subcultural spirituality was evolving under her nose.  She wished that she had government funding to interview Otherkin and start a research program to measure WILLING and volunteering Otherkin for mental and physical differences.  She mourned when I told her that so many Otherkin feared mental health professionals, and said that those Otherkin who did seek therapy should seek those who worked with alternative lifestyles and open belief systems.  She remarked how very alone Otherkin must feel as well.

Sure, some of you will say, she was the exception and not the rule.  However a whole school of therapy and psychology exists that believes in helping people understand themselves via reflection and not behavior change.  This is the Humanistic therapy model and that and the Jungian therapists are most likely to be open minded towards us.

With this in mind, also remember that a lot of Otherkin have mental health issues.  I have fought depression for years till I found the right combo of therapy and medicine that worked.  Once I did, I functioned.  I still have frustrating days like anyone else, of course, but that’s life.  What is gone and good riddance is that terrible bleakness of depression and the sadistic urge to make others around me share my misery by being cruel to them and dragging them down.  I have a decent life and accept that therapy and medication are part of maintaining that.

I suspect that for some people out there, they feel that being or suspecting they are mentally ill  makes them “Special” due to suffering more than others or having a unique perspective.  Maybe they fear that their Otherkin nature will be cured by therapy and that they will no longer be special.  That’s a load of crap.  My art has gotten better since I went into treatment due to a positive attitude, better concentration, optimism and the ability to look at my work and see and know its worth.  If you are Otherkin it is in your soul, not your serotonin and other neurochemicals.  Suffering does not make you any better than other people, even if you enter into it for spiritual or political reasons.  It just makes your approach different but the approaches of others are still valuable and legitimate.  Mental health interventions should make you more of who you are, not less.

As a patient you have the right to terminate a relationship with any doctor at any time unless you are a danger to yourself and others.  Even the schitzophrenic patients we see at my doctor’s office still have freedoms.  We have a guy who wears jewelry made of copper, plastic and duct tape, sees choirs of angels in his living room, talks to God in public, pees in his sink for fear that the Martians who control the Russian Mafia have placed electrodes in his toilet to corrode his brain through his penis and never bathes.  He lives in assisted care but is not dangerous so he can come and go at will.  He walks to our office, smells terrible and keeps the appointments necessary to his health.  At any time he could fire my doctor as long as he found another one and took care of his health issues.

We all have so much more freedom and in most cases so many less issues than this guy.  In most places, there are public mental health clinics, support groups and schools for psychiatry with sliding scale fees.  I encourage any Otherkin who suspect that they might have a mental health issue to look into and utilize all the resources at our disposal to improve the public image of Otherkin.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
I hope you don't feel offended by my going anonymous, but I'm curious as to your views on Vampire. Would you consider them Otherkin? I'm having difficult time finding a base for Vampire and I was wondering if maybe you had any recommendations? Thank you very much for your time.
jarandhel jarandhel Said:

I count vampires as otherkin, but a lot of people… including a large segment of the vampire community… do not.  I don’t think the vampire community is very active here on tumblr, your best best would be the various mailing lists, forums, and other groups for vampires if you’re looking to connect with others.  I’d highly recommend Sanguinarius.org and SphynxCat’s Real Vampire Support Page as starting points, and they list many others.  Sanguinarius.org also hosts an IRC channel on Dalnet (#sanguinarius) and a weekly chat in Second Life on Fridays at their virtual Sanguinarius Community Center.  

There’s been a lot of talk about the community needing a place to list gathers, mini-gathers, meetups.  Something centralized, and that users can edit.  Thing is, there already is such a place.  A listing of upcoming events appears right on the front page of AnOtherWiki.  I’ve been adding to it, regularly… I just added a new gather and a couple of new meetups to the list, making 9 gathers and 7 meetups that are currently listed.  I’ll be adding more as I find them.  You guys can too.  It’s completely free to register, and any registered user can edit the wiki.

jarandhel:

Reminder: Weekly #otherkin chat starting at 7pm EST, irc://irc.mibbit.net/dreamhart Webclient here: http://ow.ly/9xCi4

Just a reminder about this week’s chat.

Reminder: Weekly #otherkin chat starting at 7pm EST, irc://irc.mibbit.net/dreamhart Webclient here: http://ow.ly/9xCi4

At 8pm on Monday, I posted an update about AnOtherWiki.  I said that we had 17 articles created in addition to the main page at that time, and I asked for help.  I said I’d like to see us double and redouble that number.  Well, I’m pleased to announce that a mere two days later we have in fact doubled that number to 34.  

Now, many of these articles are quite sparse.  There’s a lot of work to be done to flesh them out, and a vast number of articles still to be added.  So I’m putting out another request for help.  Join us, help us reach our next milestone of 68 articles.  Share with us your websites, forums, chats.  Your gathers, minigathers, and meetups.  Share with us your knowledge of the community, its terms, and the people who make it up.  

As I’ve said before: This is our encyclopedia, written for our community by our community and about our community. Let’s make it everything it can be. If you’d like to help with this project, please join us at http://anotherwiki.dreamhart.org